Editing Project:Village pump (proposals) (section)

=== Another TOC thing "Beginning" ===
Vector-2022 inserts a section-0 link on the TOC, and it is labeled "Beginning". Anyone else think this is odd?  See this [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland?useskin=vector-2022 page as an example].  When I first saw that in the TOC, I didn't think "this is the beginning of the article", but "this is a section about the early days of this subject".  Luckily we can localize this via [[Mediawiki:vector-toc-beginning]].  Anyone think we should?  Perhaps something like "(Top)" or "(Return to top)".?  — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 00:38, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Xaosflux|Xaosflux]], we've absolutely [[mw:Talk:Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements#"Beginning"_is_confusing|raised this already]]. In the latest mockups, it's bolded, which helps a bit to distinguish it. Still, I think we'd want to consider localizing it, perhaps to "Introduction," which aligns with what we actually call the section (making the entry ramp for newcomers shallower). <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 01:36, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:Sdkb|Sdkb]] that label is on all pages, not just articles (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ireland?useskin=vector-2022 ) so "Introduction" seems even worse to me. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 09:18, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
:::Hmm, we could use different labels for different namespaces. Or go with something like "Top" everywhere. As I mentioned at the other conversation, I think the key will be differentiating it somehow through design rather than finding an unambiguous word (which may be impossible). <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 17:16, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
::::Some kind of icon, such as a stylized caret ^ , seems to be the best option to me. <span style="font-family:Garamond,Palatino,serif;font-size:115%;background:-webkit-linear-gradient(red,red,red,blue,blue,blue,blue);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent">[[User:Daß Wölf|Daß]] [[User talk:Daß Wölf|Wölf]]</span> 15:40, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
::::: Use italics (not bold) or put (Beginning) in brackets or (Top) in brackets. Definitely not (Return to top) since we are already at the top when the page loads — [[User:GhostInTheMachine|GhostInTheMachine]] <sup>[[User talk:GhostInTheMachine|talk to me]]</sup> 16:10, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
::::::I've loaded in <code>(Top)</code> as a try; any feedback? — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 16:13, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
:::::::Better. Can {{code|Contents [hide]}} be altered as well? In this case, the opposite of "hide" seems to be "move to sidebar" which is just a bit evil — [[User:GhostInTheMachine|GhostInTheMachine]] <sup>[[User talk:GhostInTheMachine|talk to me]]</sup> 16:25, 7 August 2022 (UTC)