Editing Project:Village pump (proposals) (section)

=== Two pretty glaring issues ===
Ok, so, first, the collapsable toc. if you say readers find it easy, cool, but to me it seems like we're burying our navigational tools. Which to me seems like a really really bad idea. This feels more like something done for phones to save screen real estate, than what would need to be done on a computer monitor, but whatever. If that's a fail, we'll probably find out soon enough by analyzing number of clicks on toc/side menu links.

That aside, not having the user talk page right next to the user's name is also a really bad idea.

We've already had issues with the mobile interface where it was difficult for new editors to know they were receiving warnings, because they didn't see they had a user talk page.

I realize we have our alerts system, but a direct link to the user talk page seems paramount.

if space is an issue, move the watchlist to the drop down, next to contributions (they both should be at the top of the drop down)..

But "talk" should be right next to the user name, before the notice icons. to make it clear that it's the user's talk page. - <b>[[User:Jc37|jc37]]</b> 11:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
:{{tq|If that's a fail, we'll probably find out soon enough by analyzing number of clicks on toc/side menu links.}} That is a good point, and A/B testing should include data on this. Hopefully the WMF will be willing to engage with this and the other requests for data I made above. [[User:BilledMammal|BilledMammal]] ([[User talk:BilledMammal|talk]]) 00:09, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
:Can u explain ur thoughts further? Because talk page is a concept completely unique to us, id think. So why would that be more recognizable to ppl than a notice in the notice menu? More recognizable outside of a user’s menu than within the menu ? Isn’t it just that ppl simply need to learn these things no matter where they are ? —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 08:58, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
::It's simply a matter of understandability and use-ability. If you look at the various icons that are intended for the user, both displayed and those in the drop-down, I think it's fair to say that the most important ones would be the user page, the user talk page, and alerts/notices. Contributions/watchlist next, then misc "other stuff", and then preferences and logout at the end/bottom. 
::Wikipedia is a learning curve, to be sure. But as our user model is based upon [[WP:CON|consensus]], and discussing things is often the way of things here, putting the user talk page readily viewable would seem rather obvious.
::My return question might be: Why '''''shouldn't''''' it be there? What is the logic here? 
::And with that in mind, pinging @[[User:OVasileva (WMF)]] and @[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)]]. - <b>[[User:Jc37|jc37]]</b> 08:00, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I'm ok with the "two weeks to discuss it" idea. Best way to gather discussion points is to have an unobtrusive banner ad at the top of every page explaining what is going on. [[User:Oaktree b|Oaktree b]] ([[User talk:Oaktree b|talk]]) 23:02, 2 August 2022 (UTC)